One was known as the Dark Lord; the other one was known as the Jedi who took him down. As far as father-son relationships go, few are worse in the sci-fi world than
But, who is stronger and more powerful, Luke or Darth Vader? There’s still a lot of contention about this argument, but it really all boils down to what type of power you’re talking about:
- Due to
Darth Vader’s unique ties to The Force, it’s often assumed that he’s the more powerful.
- Due to the overall outcome of Star Wars, many would say Luke is stronger.
- In terms of fighting, most would agree they’re fairly evenly matched.
In order to really delve deep into the two biggest characters in the Star Wars franchise, we’re going to have to take a deeper look into each characters’ storylines and abilities. Let’s take a look at the evidence together, shall we?
Darth Vader: Who Is Stronger And More Powerful?
This is one of the bigger debates when it comes to Star Wars characters, and truthfully, the jury is still out on the overall answer. It all depends on what criteria you want to use to judge the two characters.
To take a better look at each character’s strengths and developments, we decided to break down their characters according to the following strength categories:
- Fighting Skills
- The Force
Luke Skywalker’s Strengths
If nothing else,
It doesn’t take much to see that
Luke Skywalker’s epic intelligence allows him to think fast on his feet and also get out of harm’s way just in time. It was Skywalker’s intelligence that often helped him plan out attacks and work with Jedis to save the day.
One of the biggest talking points dealing with Luke Skywalker’s strength is about his ties to The Force. When Anakin Skywalker turned away from The Force, he forfeited his role as the “Chosen One.”
It was his son, Luke, who ended up becoming the prophecized hero that saved the universe and restored balance. As years passed, the Force got stronger and stronger in Luke. Eventually, it became strong enough to let Luke strike down his father in Return of the Jedi.
It’s also worth pointing out that an ongoing fan theory suggests that the Force gets stronger in every Skywalker generation. If this is true, Luke is, by default, stronger than his father in terms of midichlorians.
Darth Vader’s Strengths
Known as the Dark Lord and one of the Dark Side’s most heinous criminals, it’s easy to see why most of the galaxy far, far away feared the man once known as Anakin Skywalker. He’s a man who is gripped by the forces of evil and the cause of death for millions. Let’s take a look at his stats…
Up until the moment that
Even among other high-ranking Empire officials, Darth Vader was a serious force (pun intended) to reckon with. After all, he was the man who took down Palpatine by throwing him into a Death Star reactor.
In terms of intelligence, it’s hard to ignore
Darth Vader’s accomplishments. Along with being a top-ranking leader under
Anakin was the one who created C-3PO as a boy, and that robot knew thousands of different languages. Moreover, that entire invention seemed to be a hobby for young Anakin. Imagine what he could do when he was an adult!
It’s no secret that
In Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace, Shmee Skywalker (Anakin’s mother) told Jedi leader Qui-Gon Jin that she believed Anakin to be “conceived by midichlorians.” In other words, Darth Vader may have been immaculately conceived.
Further evidence suggests there may be truth, after several remarks in Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith suggested that midichlorians did have the capability to create life on their own. If this is true, no one would have a stronger tie to them than Darth Vader.
Looking At Fights Between
Luke Skywalker And Darth Vader
The skirmishes that happened between Luke and Anakin Skywalker speak volumes about their strength and power. Most fans use the fights as a measuring stick to determine strength. After all, people don’t become prized fighters by losing or tying with their opponents, do they?
Prior To Return Of The Jedi
When it comes to the fights that happened prior
to Luke’s big breakout victory in Return of the Jedi, the victor was
For the most part, in the earlier scenes in the
Star Wars franchise, it was made relatively clear that
Luke Skywalker’s Strengths
It was fairly clear that
- He had Jedi training. The Jedis trusted his innate ability long enough to give him training and make him a great fighter. That says something, doesn’t it?
- He still was able to overturn Vader’s plans. Not only did he get rid of that Death Star, but he also was able to save Princess Leia.
- Jedis had faith in him. You have to remember that a lot of Jedis have a mild talent in foresight. This might be the reason why they trusted him; they saw he was capable of taking Vader down.
Darth Vader’s Strengths
Yes, it’s true that
- He held a high ranking position in the Empire. Darth Vader wasn’t part of a small cabal of people. He had clout. He had political ties and armies backing him.
- His ties to the Force were innate. He was literally immaculately conceived by midichloria. That would give him a better natural command of the Force than anyone else.
- His wealth gave him a lot more resources. The sheer amount of weaponry he had at his disposal made him a terror across the galaxy.
When Luke Kills Vader
Return of the Jedi was a major turning point in the Star Wars series, and it also
housed the most important scene in terms of the “Vader vs. Skywalker” debate.
This was the movie that had
Why It’s So Important
With the other fight scenes, it could be argued that the skirmishes resulted in a tie because both parties remained alive. There was no major “death blow” that acted as proof of one character truly being stronger than the other.
Is It A Matter Of Age?
Here’s an interesting thought to consider. As people age, people start to lose a lot of the strengths they had in their youth. Their eyesight goes, they become frail, and yes, they also become less capable of holding their own.
Who’s to say that
Both Anakin and Luke Skywalker are still human at the end of the day. Who’s to say that Darth wasn’t just losing his touch by the end of that fateful episode? There are many fans out there who still believe that Anakin would have destroyed Luke if they were both in their primes.
How Being “The Chosen One” Factors Into The Argument
People can’t ignore the fact that Anakin
Skywalker (also known as
A major fan theory about the fight’s outcome deals
with the “Chosen One” prophecy and the fact that
“The Chosen One”
Throughout the Star Wars franchise, there are prophecies that are foretold that shape the plotline. One of the biggest ones is the prophecy of “The Chosen One.” The Chosen One is destined to bring balance to the Force by vanquishing the Sith.
Initially, it was believed that
As fate shifted, it became subtly clear that
Darth Vader lost his deep connection with the Force. Meanwhile, the Force grew
stronger with his son. Eventually,
Questions About The Prophecy
It’s hard to fully understand how the Force
worked its way into the prophecy. Did midichloria decide to switch over to Luke
Skywalker’s aid in order to fulfill it after Anakin abandoned his destiny? Or,
was it all predestined to happen regardless of what
Once again, this is a debate within a debate that might never really be fully resolved. However, it does make you wonder who would defeat who if the Star Wars universe never had the Force as a driving factor.
Now, if you’ve been paying attention to the arguments, you already know that there’s a very strong theory suggesting that Anakin Skywalker was immaculately conceived. If true, his ties to the Force would be stronger than almost anyone else in the franchise.
But, what if that wasn’t the case at all?
In an article for Fatherly, a Star Wars fan
posited a rather shocking revelation. He suggested that
- The idea of immaculate conception really didn’t sit well with many fans. The heavily-suggested rumor was never a very popular one with fans and often didn’t sit well.
- Episode III: Revenge of the Sith featured a scene where Emperor Palpatine was spotted watching a strange opera with a very young Anakin Skywalker. Now, why would an emperor with multiple planets under his belt take time out of his day to hang out with a kid? Hmmm…
- Issue #25 of Darth Vader later reveals that Palpatine used the Dark Side in order to conceive Anakin. This ended up being a revelation showing that Palpatine and the Force were jointly responsible for Anakin’s birth.
Technically, this makes Emperor Palpatine Darth Vader’s father. Perhaps it was Palpatine’s personal touch that gave Anakin the unique traits he had. Either way, it’s clear that Palpatine himself was a powerful Sith.
Once again, Vader proved his mettle on the
So, Does The Force Get Stronger?
If you take a look at this series of events, there’s a lot of evidence to suggest that each Skywalker generation gets stronger than the last:
- Emperor Palpatine makes Anakin Skywalker get conceived through the Dark Force. This alone takes a lot of power to accomplish, so right off the bat, Palpatine is flexing serious muscle with his command of the Dark Side.
- Palpatine turns Anakin into
Darth Vader. This is another flex showing his power over the Dark Side.
- Anakin fathers Luke, and they regularly battle through most of
Luke Skywalker’s adult life. Luke isn’t tainted by the Dark Side. They both seem to be a relatively even match, though Vader has the upper hand in most fights.
- Darth Vader kills Emperor Palpatine. Well, now we know who’s the stronger of the two.
- Luke’s good soul overcomes the Dark Side in Darth Vader, who then dies to save his son. Luke Skywalker’s true-to-form goodness was what ended up overpowering
Darth Vader. By getting Vader to walk away from the Dark Side, Luke Skywalkerfinally overcame his father’s strength.
If you look at that series of events portrayed in that manner, it definitely suggests that the Force gets stronger with every generation. Even so, it’s never distinctly said in the Star Wars franchise.
We Might Never Know For Sure
The hardest part of dealing with the Luke vs. Darth Vader strength debate is that there’s a good chance we might never know. Star Wars universe lore is so incredibly dense and wild. It’s hard to come up with supporting facts for either case that can’t be spun in one way or another.
Official writers seem to be mum on who was truly the stronger character. Well, at least fanfic might give us some awesome speculation to read, right?